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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:55:00 -
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It's high sec, and we can make a reasonable assumption BOTH Concord and the Republic Fleet wouldn't have let any neutral or enemy capsuleer ships within 500km of these delegates, under pain of death.
When the president takes a drive they don't let every citizen with a missile launcher hang out on the side of the street as he drives by. If they did, security would shoot first and ask questions later, not wait until you fire the missiles before retaliating.
The Republic Fleet would have blasted into smithereens any capsuleer so much as looking at the delegates funny, or in a remotely threatening stance. no questions asked. But then we'd have a thread whining about capsuleer ship losses in highsec for 'no reason.'
But current game mechanics would allow in highsec for a gank fleet to both approach, bump, and lock the targets without being insta-destroyed, which seems a bit silly.
If Goonswarm had been able to kill the delegates, and CONCORD instantly set the entire alliance -10 as they would reasonably be expected to do, then we'd have another thread full of complaints.
I'd propose sure, make every ship vulnerable to some extent, but instant and severe consequences for people and their alliances. Then they'd have to choose weather it's worth it.
Additionally not every single event has multiple outcomes, and they occasionally are on rails. Such is life.
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:56:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:Hey guys,
A bit of an update. The Game Masters have decided that those who participated in this event but got blown up by CONCORD while trying to kill one of the delegates are eligible for reimbursement for the ship that they lost. Just file a petition and link the correct ship lost, and the GMs will take care of the rest.
We want to encourage people to partake in our events, whether verbally or guns blazing. I can only echo Falcons and Goliaths posts that we will not touch these modules again in the future.
If you guys want to bring down a live event character in high sec in the future, go ahead. Might give us interesting avenues of escalation.
The hell?
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:15:00 -
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I reiterate that sure, we could make actor ships vulnerable in highsec, and let's say VIP actors are extremely hard to kill, but plausible with a large enough blob.
The consequences of trying to kill heads of state in high sec on a peaceful mission would be immediate and permanent CONCORD KOS in highsec for the rest of eternity for the offending pilots and their organizations. Not a little -2 hit to sec status, permanent -10.
It stretches IC credibility to assume firing on Republic heads of state would give you a slap on the wrist as a result.
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:32:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:GSF is a big alliance. Why would the actions of some of it's pilots cause the whole alliance to get negative standings?
Sure, drop them all the way to -10 sec status (I would not say permanent, though) if they gank a Live Event actor.
If a Chinese aircraft shoots at an American ship, will the retaliation be against the single pilot or the overarching organization?
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:38:00 -
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Correct right now there is 0 penalty for attacking NPC actors. If you want to kill them that's super fine, but don't expect to ever dock in one of their stations or use their stargates ever again.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:40:00 -
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Oh! You just killed our Prime Minister! Here, please feel free to dock at any of our Republic Stations, and have free use of our stargate network.
Don't forget to try the Steak in Pator! Super delicious.
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:02:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:
If the rules are going to be changed, i.e. ganking a Minmatar actor means -10 sec, Rep and Fed standings, that needs to be known. Currently, it would have just been the normal sec hit for a ship kill in .9 space. I have no problem with more extreme consequences, but they have to be known by the players in advance.
Why should they give anyone any advanced knowledge of rulings?
It's a sandbox, right? Prepare for sandbox responses on the fly.
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Silas Vitalia
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:10:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:
If the rules are going to be changed, i.e. ganking a Minmatar actor means -10 sec, Rep and Fed standings, that needs to be known. Currently, it would have just been the normal sec hit for a ship kill in .9 space. I have no problem with more extreme consequences, but they have to be known by the players in advance.
Why should they give anyone any advanced knowledge of rulings? It's a sandbox, right? Prepare for sandbox responses on the fly. Us changing the pre-established rules isn't a sandbox response, it's us changing the rules. If we were to do something like that, it would be well communicated beforehand. See CSM Live Event minutes on the topic of NPCs at gates for instance. The entire root of this thread is that we "broke the rules" (fudged, but you get the idea) of the game for this event.
Actually it appears to be the same oft-repeated history of Goons whining about something until they get their way. but point is taken.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:58:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Actually it appears to be the same oft-repeated history of Goons whining about something until they get their way. but point is taken. If it had been a 50-70 ship-large fleet of Amarr RPers, would you still think it okay to have used QA Shield Extenders and invincible actors that break the sandbox? Would you think them 'whining' if they complained about the sandbox becoming a railroaded themepark? The fact that it was Goons is completely irrelevent to the discussion.
Two separate issues.
Yes I would have same responses to any "well-known" RP group doing the same things with the same results and starting a similar thread.
I'm personally more interested in the fiction, where things are going, and things developing than having every.single.event be a 'shoot the actors' event. But that's just me.
I think ccp also runs regular loot pinata events that might cater more to this kind of playstyle as well.
It's also more of a larger issue with gameplay mechanics not quite up to reflecting how things would react in a more 'real' world, by way of the things mentioned previously such as docking / KOS by Concord, etc. Gankers take advantage of an extremely unresponsive and unpredictive NPC environment to do their work. I'm quite alright with that with regards to other players but it does break the immersion walls down sometimes with respect to live events and VIP event characters.
Until those things are amended I've got no problems with GMs handwaving workarounds to any events in order to propel larger PF forward.
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